hulugu
Dec 5, 01:10 PM
Indeed on first read, I'd say that he presents a convincing argument. I'll go along with his diagnosis that there's no hole that could open you up to arbitrary code execution. If that's your definition of a security hole, then it follows that there's no security hole there. But it's still leaving you open the possibility that the operating system may crash for no apparent reason, causing you to lose any unsaved work.
Lost work... Depending on how productive you are, that can easily result in monetary damage being done.
As I posted previously, that leaves you in no worse a situation than you always are if you're running a desktop computer without a UPS. But I think that it still warrants attention.
At best it still qualifies as an inconvenience, because the savvy user who saves her work regularly will only have lost 5 or 6 minutes of productivity including the reboot. At worst, it can result in hours of lost work for the user who doesn't understand the "save your work" mantra -- especially if we're talking about somebody who's protected by a battery backup and doesn't think that unexpected reboots should be possible on such an inherently stable operating system.
And it's undoubtedly a bug inside Apple's software that's causing this problem, therefore it is absolutely appropriate that Apple should be expected to fix it. I appreciate anybody's effort to bring such bugs to light, because that increases the probability that Apple will find out about it and fix it.
I'm saying Apple shouldn't fix it, I'm merely pointing out that many people are reacting to the MOKB as a wealth of major security flaws.
This is a bug, an annoying bug that should be fixed, but that's very different from a security flaw in which a crash can be used to inject malicious code. MOKB's author LMH was wrong about this particular instance and he did not do the research required of a security professional in this particular problem.
Again, don't dismiss the MOKB or the warnings from Secunia or F-Secure or even the demonstrations by Ellrich and Johnny Cache, instead we need to assess the problem as best we can.
I would say that you probably shouldn't be installing .dmgs while you're doing important work that hasn't been saved, that's just asking for trouble.
Lost work... Depending on how productive you are, that can easily result in monetary damage being done.
As I posted previously, that leaves you in no worse a situation than you always are if you're running a desktop computer without a UPS. But I think that it still warrants attention.
At best it still qualifies as an inconvenience, because the savvy user who saves her work regularly will only have lost 5 or 6 minutes of productivity including the reboot. At worst, it can result in hours of lost work for the user who doesn't understand the "save your work" mantra -- especially if we're talking about somebody who's protected by a battery backup and doesn't think that unexpected reboots should be possible on such an inherently stable operating system.
And it's undoubtedly a bug inside Apple's software that's causing this problem, therefore it is absolutely appropriate that Apple should be expected to fix it. I appreciate anybody's effort to bring such bugs to light, because that increases the probability that Apple will find out about it and fix it.
I'm saying Apple shouldn't fix it, I'm merely pointing out that many people are reacting to the MOKB as a wealth of major security flaws.
This is a bug, an annoying bug that should be fixed, but that's very different from a security flaw in which a crash can be used to inject malicious code. MOKB's author LMH was wrong about this particular instance and he did not do the research required of a security professional in this particular problem.
Again, don't dismiss the MOKB or the warnings from Secunia or F-Secure or even the demonstrations by Ellrich and Johnny Cache, instead we need to assess the problem as best we can.
I would say that you probably shouldn't be installing .dmgs while you're doing important work that hasn't been saved, that's just asking for trouble.
ayeying
Oct 18, 08:23 PM
are you really folding on an air?
Yes. It's a great machine and very capable. I don't experience any overheating issues or such. However, at night, when I'm asleep, I run it on a cooling pad in the kitchen for those "just-in-case" moments. However, during the day, I just run it without the cooling pad since it's pretty loud.
Yes. It's a great machine and very capable. I don't experience any overheating issues or such. However, at night, when I'm asleep, I run it on a cooling pad in the kitchen for those "just-in-case" moments. However, during the day, I just run it without the cooling pad since it's pretty loud.
KnightWRX
Apr 13, 10:26 AM
You are looking at the "evidence" but refuse to see it. No idea if it is accurate - but it is in print.
Sorry, refuse to see what ? You posted a TechCrunch article which refuted itself. You did not post an engadget story. What am I refusing to see exactly ? I'm reading the links you supplied. Supply links that at least support your position next time, and I won't "refuse to see it" like you say.
Next, your Engadget article was refuted. Hardly justification to propose as fact that apple "envisionned" anything as far as Thunderbolt goes.
I'm not questioning that they played a role, be it major or minor, I'm questioning the importance Chuppa is giving Apple which his choice of "envision". All history of TB points to the contrary. Your engadget article is the first to say that Apple envisionned it and it was quickly refuted.
So again : Citation Needed.
Sorry, refuse to see what ? You posted a TechCrunch article which refuted itself. You did not post an engadget story. What am I refusing to see exactly ? I'm reading the links you supplied. Supply links that at least support your position next time, and I won't "refuse to see it" like you say.
Next, your Engadget article was refuted. Hardly justification to propose as fact that apple "envisionned" anything as far as Thunderbolt goes.
I'm not questioning that they played a role, be it major or minor, I'm questioning the importance Chuppa is giving Apple which his choice of "envision". All history of TB points to the contrary. Your engadget article is the first to say that Apple envisionned it and it was quickly refuted.
So again : Citation Needed.
Grimace
Jul 21, 11:46 AM
Walt Mossberg wrote a very interesting article in the Wall Street Journal about 2 weeks ago in which he said independent research had noted that 19% of all college students now use a Mac. That number is expected to grow leaps and bounds by this time next year.
I would love to see this article -- can anyone PM me a link or post it here??
I would love to see this article -- can anyone PM me a link or post it here??
bursthead
Apr 22, 06:21 PM
I don't see how this is going to work... How are they going to keep the same battery life in this form factor? At this price point, or are they going to increase the prices? I'm not going to go back to my 3GS battery life.
vincenz
Apr 29, 04:08 PM
Not bad, not bad, but it almost looks like a move that's a little too late...
Don't panic
Apr 26, 11:05 AM
hi everybody.
vacation was great thank you for asking :)
Intell, love the theme, of course. are you keeping it through the entire game? do we have assigned roles? :D
nothing of substance going on on day one as usual so i'll vote for ucfgrad93 again because he is the least active (only without vote, if i read the posts correctly.
and here is the current status (majority 7, deadline 5.05 pm EST)
eldiablo 2(3) (nathan, moyank) + aggie, not bolded
nies 2 (plutonius, appleguy)
plutonius 2 (nies, jav)
ibro 1 (chrmjenkins)
chrmjenkins 1 (ibro)
nathanmuir 1 (eldiablo)
ucfgrad 1 (don't panic)
didn't vote yet: ucfgrad93
for those interested, i updated stonyc spreadsheet to this game, and i'll try to keep it current
also, for clarity, when you change a vote, please don't go back to edit the original post (even by simply unbolding), just add the new bolded vote in a new post.
vacation was great thank you for asking :)
Intell, love the theme, of course. are you keeping it through the entire game? do we have assigned roles? :D
nothing of substance going on on day one as usual so i'll vote for ucfgrad93 again because he is the least active (only without vote, if i read the posts correctly.
and here is the current status (majority 7, deadline 5.05 pm EST)
eldiablo 2(3) (nathan, moyank) + aggie, not bolded
nies 2 (plutonius, appleguy)
plutonius 2 (nies, jav)
ibro 1 (chrmjenkins)
chrmjenkins 1 (ibro)
nathanmuir 1 (eldiablo)
ucfgrad 1 (don't panic)
didn't vote yet: ucfgrad93
for those interested, i updated stonyc spreadsheet to this game, and i'll try to keep it current
also, for clarity, when you change a vote, please don't go back to edit the original post (even by simply unbolding), just add the new bolded vote in a new post.
Plutonius
Apr 29, 07:32 PM
Well, that's a bummer. Now I'm stuck with Appleguy in the afterlife ;).
Look a the bright side. You are also stuck with Plutonius.
Look a the bright side. You are also stuck with Plutonius.
Kardashian
Jul 25, 08:25 AM
Not sure if this has been posted, but do you think it will come in Black, for the MB users? (and possible iMac users)
NoExpectations
Apr 14, 07:33 AM
Apple II
twoodcc
Dec 2, 05:00 AM
BTW no more points will be recredited for the stats mishap earlier last months. They lost the data and did some estimations... Nothing else will be given...
why am i not surprised that i didn't get mine?
why am i not surprised that i didn't get mine?
topicolo
Jul 21, 03:33 PM
Let's face it: Apple is a monopoly, but with such a small market share, it is a monopoly that we have freely chosen to deal with. We Mac consumers cannot go to the DOJ and claim we have no alternatives (just because your alternatives suck doesn't mean you don't have them.) If Apple were wildly successful and exceeded this threshold market share, their business model may be interfered with by the government.
By definition, having alternatives makes Apple NOT a monopoly.
On a side note, who actually voted negatively for this news item? It makes no sense
By definition, having alternatives makes Apple NOT a monopoly.
On a side note, who actually voted negatively for this news item? It makes no sense
Chundles
Aug 15, 01:22 PM
So far, Leopard is something I'm not willing to pay for.
I expected just a little bit of a UI change, it just looks like a little updated version of Tiger.
I really wonder what these top secret features are because the current features aren't impressing me enough to open my wallet.
Ergh, you do realise this is a Developer's Preview? A BETA version ie. not finished, not anywhere near finished, feature-incomplete, "for testing only" version of Leopard don't you?
Tiger (especially Dashboard) changed beyond recognition between it's sneak peek and release.
I expected just a little bit of a UI change, it just looks like a little updated version of Tiger.
I really wonder what these top secret features are because the current features aren't impressing me enough to open my wallet.
Ergh, you do realise this is a Developer's Preview? A BETA version ie. not finished, not anywhere near finished, feature-incomplete, "for testing only" version of Leopard don't you?
Tiger (especially Dashboard) changed beyond recognition between it's sneak peek and release.
Patch^
Jul 11, 05:15 PM
what device is on this page: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experiences/onthego.mspx
looks pretty cool lol.
looks pretty cool lol.
citi
Mar 31, 11:29 AM
Does anyone know what the month view will look like with this new update to lion...screenshots please.
Guaranteed it will look just like the iPad version, which I don't mind. I think iCal is probably one of my favorites apps on iPad.
Guaranteed it will look just like the iPad version, which I don't mind. I think iCal is probably one of my favorites apps on iPad.
KingYaba
May 2, 02:41 AM
Why?
Are we going to create a grave or a shrine to him? My hope is, that has been well-documented with witnesses galore.
Are we going to create a grave or a shrine to him? My hope is, that has been well-documented with witnesses galore.
OneMike
Apr 11, 01:06 PM
wonder what the price is. Actually, not sure if I want to know.
rikscha
Mar 31, 10:59 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8G4 Safari/6533.18.5)
Alerts for birthday entries? Is it finally being implemented?
Alerts for birthday entries? Is it finally being implemented?
creator2456
Sep 14, 09:00 PM
http://cdn.bowlingball.com/ProductImages/3375-lp-1.jpg
Getting my bowling ball redrilled and resurfaced in preparation for league play.
http://www.weberbowlingandawards.com/shop/images/Choppa.png
Also needed new shoes.
Getting my bowling ball redrilled and resurfaced in preparation for league play.
http://www.weberbowlingandawards.com/shop/images/Choppa.png
Also needed new shoes.
Tones2
Apr 13, 02:11 PM
Yet another ridiculous speculation by unqualified experts who need real jobs.
Tony
Tony
countach
Oct 23, 07:54 AM
This is incorrect.
Microsoft's Vista EULA says:
4. USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system.
This means you can't use the *same* installation of Vista Home inside a virtualization technology on the licensed device.
This DOES NOT mean you can't use it by itself in a virtualization product on any platform.
The word "same" never occurs in the text, which never contemplates multiple installs.
It says you can't use it in a virtual machine. End of story. End of discussion.
Microsoft's Vista EULA says:
4. USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system.
This means you can't use the *same* installation of Vista Home inside a virtualization technology on the licensed device.
This DOES NOT mean you can't use it by itself in a virtualization product on any platform.
The word "same" never occurs in the text, which never contemplates multiple installs.
It says you can't use it in a virtual machine. End of story. End of discussion.
Willis
Oct 23, 08:22 AM
What a load of crap. People always make out Apple try and get your hard earned cash, but it seems nowadays its everyone else!
Microsoft are just going to cause more problems for themselves because prohibiting the use of the basic and home editions to be used, people will just get a cracked version, because thats what most people do.
Pointless!
Microsoft are just going to cause more problems for themselves because prohibiting the use of the basic and home editions to be used, people will just get a cracked version, because thats what most people do.
Pointless!
meepm00pmeep
Oct 23, 09:07 AM
just another way to put more $ into Microsoft's pockets... it's a good thing i refuse to install Windows on my MBP
twoodcc
Sep 18, 06:34 PM
We should try to pump up the team with these new bigadv units.
This team slowed down huge when the GPU client came out, which is Windows only.
we do need to pump up the team, and get more involved on this forum.
yes the GPU client is windows only, but i've heard that you can run a GPU client in linux. and i don't mean in wine either. but i've heard it's very tricky to get working
This team slowed down huge when the GPU client came out, which is Windows only.
we do need to pump up the team, and get more involved on this forum.
yes the GPU client is windows only, but i've heard that you can run a GPU client in linux. and i don't mean in wine either. but i've heard it's very tricky to get working
